| Jul_13_2012_00:05:23 | underscor | http://imgur.com/gallery/qleuW |
| Jul_13_2012_00:05:29 | arkhive | Schbirid: How did you set up your server to help AT? And how much are you paying a month? |
| Jul_13_2012_00:06:11 | arkhive | Schbirid: the server you mentioned earlier with 100Mb connection. I'm interested in getting one...if the price is right. |
| Jul_13_2012_04:59:02 | Coderjoe | arkhive: btw, Schbirid had been gone for 2.30 hours prior to you attempting to ask the question |
| Jul_13_2012_05:00:03 | Coderjoe | er, 3.30 hours |
| Jul_13_2012_07:10:00 | arkhive | oh |
| Jul_13_2012_07:10:48 | arkhive | do you know about using servers for AT andthe costs |
| Jul_13_2012_07:11:29 | arkhive | and i'm going to bed. it's 1:11am here |
| Jul_13_2012_07:11:50 | arkhive | but let me know.. i'm leaving irc on. night |
| Jul_13_2012_07:24:48 | ersi | arkhive: afaik schbirid has a free server from a OVH campaign |
| Jul_13_2012_07:34:51 | GLaDOS | Multiple free servers, I think. |
| Jul_13_2012_13:57:15 | Schbirid | i think ovh has servers available again right now ovh.com/bhs |
| Jul_13_2012_14:02:34 | Schbirid | oops, i had one laying around for 3 weeks unused |
| Jul_13_2012_14:03:40 | Coderjoe | check the sofa cushions! |
| Jul_13_2012_14:05:27 | Schbirid | time to slap tor on it just to make it useful |
| Jul_13_2012_14:14:58 | Coderjoe | Schbirid: by the way, what format are those archives you wanted to serve from a compressed/deduped setup? |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:26 | Schbirid | html files in many directories |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:28 | Schbirid | oh |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:32 | Schbirid | i would use anything |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:37 | Schbirid | tar.gz seems alright |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:40 | Coderjoe | what are they currently? |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:44 | Schbirid | dunno if i put them into 7z yet |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:54 | Schbirid | i have them as many seperated 7z files though |
| Jul_13_2012_14:15:59 | Coderjoe | 7z would be terrible for CPU usage when serving them out |
| Jul_13_2012_14:16:03 | Schbirid | yeah |
| Jul_13_2012_14:16:47 | Coderjoe | you have to decide on the tradeoff between compression ratio and CPU usage to access a file from within |
| Jul_13_2012_14:17:28 | Coderjoe | I suppose 7z wouldn't be too bad if it weren't solid, but then you aren't much better off than a zip file for compression ratio |
| Jul_13_2012_14:18:22 | Schbirid | the targz is 15G which is alright with me |
| Jul_13_2012_14:18:35 | Schbirid | havent tried zip iirc |
| Jul_13_2012_14:18:47 | Coderjoe | care to see what tar.bz2 does? |
| Jul_13_2012_14:19:21 | Schbirid | well, serving the tar.gz with avfs and google bot accessing pages every few minutes already used all cpu (load of ~5) |
| Jul_13_2012_14:19:32 | Schbirid | or would bz2 be better to uncompress? |
| Jul_13_2012_14:19:53 | Coderjoe | loadavg is not indicitive of cpu usage |
| Jul_13_2012_14:20:48 | Coderjoe | bz2 is split into discrete blocks, which would make random access easier (if you had the code in place to do random access) |
| Jul_13_2012_14:21:59 | Coderjoe | whereas, while gz can have multiple blocks, it isn't required, and backreferences can be made across a block boundary |
| Jul_13_2012_14:24:17 | Coderjoe | (so you would have to index the location of the start of each block in the compressed file, the location in the uncompressed stream, and the state of the window, or as much as is needed based on scanning the data) |
| Jul_13_2012_14:24:47 | Coderjoe | (bz2 could do random access with a minimum of compressed block start offset and uncompressed stream offset) |
| Jul_13_2012_14:30:31 | Schbirid | nice, i will try it |
| Jul_13_2012_14:32:37 | Coderjoe | unfortunately, I am not aware of any existing software that really allows such random access |
| Jul_13_2012_15:11:22 | SmileyG | hmmm winr4r :O |
| Jul_13_2012_15:15:46 | Schbirid | oh |
| Jul_13_2012_15:21:02 | Schbirid | oh nice, my robots.txt files 7z finished. 300MB :) |
| Jul_13_2012_15:36:13 | Schbirid | avfs says it does |
| Jul_13_2012_15:36:14 | Schbirid | o Indexing of gzip and bzip2 files. This achieves fast random |
| Jul_13_2012_15:36:14 | Schbirid | access to the uncompressed files without caching to whole file. |
| Jul_13_2012_15:38:09 | godane | uploading episode 30 of GBTV |
| Jul_13_2012_15:38:12 | godane | :-D |
| Jul_13_2012_15:38:39 | godane | i almost have you guys up to november 2011 with this |
| Jul_13_2012_15:39:47 | godane | just know the earlyer copys was re-encoded to be at 800mb |
| Jul_13_2012_15:54:38 | winr4r | SmileyG: hmm? |
| Jul_13_2012_15:56:46 | winr4r | oh, the £414 battery pack? that is hilarious |
| Jul_13_2012_15:57:39 | SmileyG | yah |
| Jul_13_2012_15:57:42 | SmileyG | is that serious price? |
| Jul_13_2012_15:59:58 | winr4r | SmileyG: well, the same seller has lots of nikon batteries, listed at not-totally-insane prices |
| Jul_13_2012_16:00:13 | winr4r | but then they have D1 batteries listed at *fucking insane* prices |
| Jul_13_2012_16:00:49 | winr4r | i just ordered one from another seller, for £14 |
| Jul_13_2012_16:01:32 | SmileyG | D: |
| Jul_13_2012_16:01:45 | SmileyG | Weird. |
| Jul_13_2012_16:02:47 | winr4r | maybe they're cashing in on the ebaying-so-drunk-they-read-£414-as-£14 market |
| Jul_13_2012_16:09:03 | SmileyG | AAAAArugh |
| Jul_13_2012_16:09:10 | * SmileyG | just crashed vbox twice in a row freezing his system |
| Jul_13_2012_16:09:21 | winr4r | p.s. don't drink and ebay, there's people willing to take advantage of you |
| Jul_13_2012_16:09:24 | winr4r | SmileyG: :< |
| Jul_13_2012_16:09:38 | winr4r | what happens if you crash it twice in a row, rather than once? |
| Jul_13_2012_16:10:51 | SmileyG | world ends.; |
| Jul_13_2012_16:12:05 | winr4r | oh, you meant you crashed your system twice |
| Jul_13_2012_16:12:09 | winr4r | never mind |
| Jul_13_2012_16:39:01 | Coderjoe | more on the passwords that were leaked the other day: http://boingboing.net/2012/07/12/crummy-passwords-from-yahoo-us.html |
| Jul_13_2012_16:40:59 | Schbirid | direct link http://pastebin.com/2D6bHGTa |
| Jul_13_2012_16:41:40 | Schbirid | loweralpha: 146486 (33.08%) |
| Jul_13_2012_16:41:42 | Schbirid | damn |
| Jul_13_2012_16:42:52 | Schbirid | ncie tool http://www.digininja.org/projects/pipal.php |
| Jul_13_2012_16:59:52 | Schbirid | ~200 of the alexa top 10000 domains disallow / for ia_archiver |
| Jul_13_2012_17:04:30 | Schbirid | how do i make an easy bash for loop over a-z? |
| Jul_13_2012_17:06:42 | Schbirid | {a..z} |
| Jul_13_2012_17:06:42 | Schbirid | bash rules so much |
| Jul_13_2012_17:07:01 | winr4r | yes it does |
| Jul_13_2012_17:07:27 | yipdw | except where its syntax is shit |
| Jul_13_2012_17:07:46 | winr4r | i thought it was [a-z] though |
| Jul_13_2012_17:09:43 | yipdw | [ evaluates tests, so it can't be [ |
| Jul_13_2012_17:09:51 | yipdw | (case in point, heh) |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:11 | yipdw | that said, if you write e.g. for i in [a-z]; do echo $i; done |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:21 | yipdw | depending on your version and environment you WILL get something that starts out like a loop |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:28 | yipdw | but it will not behave the way you expect: |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:46 | yipdw | well, just try it if you're on bash 3.2.48 |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:53 | yipdw | I don't know what the fuck it does on 3.2.minorrevisionup |
| Jul_13_2012_17:10:55 | yipdw | much less 4 |
| Jul_13_2012_17:11:26 | winr4r | [ with a space after it evaluates tests |
| Jul_13_2012_17:11:46 | yipdw | then I don't know what [a-z] is actually doing |
| Jul_13_2012_17:11:56 | Coderjoe | [ is an alias/link to the "test" command |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:19 | winr4r | go to your home directory, do "ls [a-c]*" |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:29 | yipdw | oh, it's a range |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:31 | winr4r | then go tell me how wrong i am about it |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:33 | yipdw | in pathname expansion |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:38 | yipdw | but not in for loops |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:38 | yipdw | ok |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:46 | yipdw | so it's a range in a different context |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:47 | yipdw | QED :P |
| Jul_13_2012_17:12:54 | yipdw | bash sucks so much |
| Jul_13_2012_17:13:12 | winr4r | yipdw: yes it does |
| Jul_13_2012_17:13:23 | winr4r | yipdw: it made us argue about stupid shit |
| Jul_13_2012_17:13:53 | winr4r | it's like that asshole who goes to a party and starts fights between people who would otherwise be friends, "hey did you hear what he just said?" |
| Jul_13_2012_17:14:11 | winr4r | i mean that guy SUCKS |
| Jul_13_2012_17:14:35 | Schbirid | bash is fantastic for quick hacky |
| Jul_13_2012_17:15:46 | yipdw | I guess |
| Jul_13_2012_17:39:10 | underscor | bash is fantastic as a command interpreter |
| Jul_13_2012_17:46:51 | yipdw | I'd say it's about as good as Marcus Brutus |
| Jul_13_2012_17:46:58 | yipdw | it's pretty good until it stabs you in the back |
| Jul_13_2012_17:47:13 | yipdw | and it has a bunch of hidden state |
| Jul_13_2012_17:47:53 | yipdw | (if someone can clarify /etc/bashrc vs. ~/.bashrc vs. /etc/profile.d vs. ~/.bash_profile for me that'd be pretty cool -- I keep forgetting what does which and when) |
| Jul_13_2012_17:48:28 | yipdw | also, I don't hate bash |
| Jul_13_2012_17:48:59 | Schbirid | well, the ~ ones are user specific |
| Jul_13_2012_17:49:29 | yipdw | I keep forgetting which apply to interactive vs. non-interactive shells |
| Jul_13_2012_17:49:36 | yipdw | and it doesn't seem to be consistent across systems anyway |
| Jul_13_2012_17:49:48 | yipdw | Ubuntu uses bash_profile for interactive shells, I think |
| Jul_13_2012_17:49:55 | yipdw | I'm not sure if CentOS does |
| Jul_13_2012_17:50:05 | yipdw | maybe it does |
| Jul_13_2012_17:50:24 | yipdw | I know one recommendation is that you just source one from the other |
| Jul_13_2012_17:50:42 | yipdw | which seems to be an admittance of "hey guys we may have done fucked this up a bit" |
| Jul_13_2012_17:51:39 | * yipdw | shrugs |
| Jul_13_2012_17:51:51 | yipdw | I've been fixing bash-related crap for a couple weeks, so I'm probably just venting |
| Jul_13_2012_17:51:52 | Schbirid | i did that minutes ago :P |
| Jul_13_2012_18:49:23 | winr4r | yipdw: if you find yourself doing that, it's probably best to write in python or perl |
| Jul_13_2012_19:00:36 | winr4r | by "python or perl" i mean "something that isn't bash" |
| Jul_13_2012_19:05:23 | Schbirid | i wish the software world would move to python3 alltogether already |
| Jul_13_2012_19:06:56 | mistym | yipdw: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html - best short explanation I've seen |
| Jul_13_2012_19:07:40 | winr4r | Schbirid: meh |
| Jul_13_2012_19:07:46 | winr4r | not really all that much reason to do so |
| Jul_13_2012_19:09:59 | Schbirid | i love this story so much http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/2011/03/05/holding-the-bag-how-i-gamed-gdcs-top-social-game-developers/ |
| Jul_13_2012_19:42:44 | godane | hey everyone |
| Jul_13_2012_19:42:55 | godane | uploading more GBTV |
| Jul_13_2012_19:43:11 | godane | this is guy is BIG data |
| Jul_13_2012_19:43:49 | godane | with 4 to 5gb of week of shows it takes alot of time to upload |
| Jul_13_2012_19:48:07 | winr4r | awesome |
| Jul_13_2012_23:08:57 | Coderjoe | and the vuln is supposedly fixed: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/13/yahoo_fixes_password_hole/ |